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Anonymous's avatar

It would be nice to also add the population of ontario in that table. That would give us how many employees earned 100k per million or something. It gives us an idea of how much the increase is because of population growth vs the ideology of the govt.

David Clinton's avatar

Nuts. I was originally planning to do exactly that but I forgot. I'll try to get to adding that in.

David Clinton's avatar

I edited the post to add some context. But here are the Ontario population numbers in case they're useful:

1996 11M

2003 12.1M

2013 13.4M

2018 14.2M

2023 15.4

Anonymous's avatar

My goodness. An increase of 1.2M from 2018-2023 is completely nuts! Thats 240k people per year!! Its even worse than it looks because 2020 and 2021 immgration rates were low due to covid I remember when immigration rates per year were around 250-300k under harper (not sure if thats just PR or NPR though).

One interesting article for you to write would be on immigration rates in canada and break it down by PR, NPR and provinces and correlate it with some interesting stats like housing prices, rent prices, unemployment rate, wages, homelessness rates and healthcare wait times.

David Clinton's avatar

The population increases are, in fact, so crazy that the PM himself complained (https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/1775203860442661226) - even though it was largely his policies that caused the growth.

But I'm not sure I could add too much to this discussion - there's already been a LOT written, including many articles here: https://betterdwelling.com/?s=immigration

Anonymous's avatar

He’s such a weird guy. He acts like a bystander in his own government.

A bit random but i have a few ideas of some interesting things you can write about.

1. # of federal govt employees that are classified as managers vs non-managers. How many of these employees live in ottawa vs outside of ottawa. I also know this govt has increased size of civil service employees by 30%. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of which departments these newer employees go in.

2. This is super off topic but i’d love to see a breakdown of university employees in back office/admin jobs vs front line jobs (professors, lecturers and TAs). I keep hearing about admin bloat in canadian colleges and universities but cant recall seeing any numbers.

David Clinton's avatar

If you (or anyone else) is interested, I created a spreadsheet of data on executives vs non-executives, employees who live in the National Capital Region vs those who live elsewhere, and the federal civil service as a proportion of Canada's population between 2010 and 2023 here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wq8o9OpqTmAPeV84fcoBZetRM_FNg63D/view?usp=sharing

What I might do with that data is another story...

Anonymous's avatar

Amazing! Im surprised that the percentage of executives vs non has hovered around 2.5% for a while. I was ready to get my pitchfork out. I am a bit confused as to why we have 40% of federal employees in the capital though. Canada is a pretty decentralized country where the federal govt isn’t responsible for a lot of govt services (eg healthcare and education).

One super interesting thing you can do is compare the proportion of employees of various provincial govts in their provincial capital vs non. I wonder what that will be. But even then it wont be a apples to apples comparison. It would also be quite interesting to see what percentage of federal govt employees live in the capital vs those outside for other countries besides canada. It would be interesting to note the trends in other countries. I can now see how addicting looking at govt data could be 😂😂

David Clinton's avatar

Excellent ideas. I'll add them to my queue.

If only I had more time...

Frank Hiebert's avatar

Another observation that might be interesting would be to determine the staffing costs incurred to administer freedom of information requests as a measure of government transparency?

David Clinton's avatar

That...and the average time it takes to actually respond to freedom of information requests.

I'll make a note of that topic.

Joan Semple's avatar

I’d also love to see CEO pay packages (within the public sector) for the same periods. And reckon those numbers against the totals of the so-called ‘Sunshiners’. Therein lies the rub as to why we’re so quick to villainize the workers (but not the upper echelons) when it comes to dipping into the public purse.

David Clinton's avatar

Well here are some quick figures. The average total compensation of the top 100 earners in the Sunshine list in 2023 was $642,290.00. Number one overall was the President and Chief Executive Officer of Ontario Power Generation, who's salary was $1,925,372.

Given the job market competition for individuals with specific skill sets, some of those salaries make sense - like the people running OPG, major hospitals, and the Ontario Public Service Pension Board. Some, like a few very well paid radiologists are predictable. But $600k for the CEO of the Registered Nurses Association Of Ontario or $500k+ for 17(!) university professors could be a bit harder to explain.